アメリカ兵による、空港の略奪被害がひどいそうです。盗むためにイラクに侵攻したようだよ。何が自由のためだ！！ うそつき！

ソースはるの忘れました。
http://news.msn.co.jp/articles/snews.asp?w=512802

　

別に略奪を正当化するわけじゃないど・・・・

兵士の略奪は戦争につきもので、米兵のはまだおとなしい方でしょ。（第二次世界大戦終了時に日本人が米兵とソ連兵から受けた待遇を比べてください。）米兵に特にモラルがあるからと言うわけでなく、そもそもアメリカは豊かな国で、貧しい国でわざわざ略奪することもないってことじゃないかな。（空港には例外的に財産があったわけだ。）

空港の財産（たった１億ドル）を略奪するために戦争するなんてのは話にもならないでしょう。戦争にいくら掛かったと思います？略奪したのは兵士で、戦争を決めたのは大統領です。

この戦争に関してはもっと他に問題にすべきことがあるので、空港の免税店の略奪なんてのは全体から見ればささいな問題だと思いますが。もちろん米軍は監督責任を問われます。

イラク戦争自体を批判するなら別の観点からなされた方がよろしいかと思います。（私も今回の戦争にはずっと反対でした。）


　

>盗むためにイラクに侵攻したようだよ。何が自由のためだ！！

ちょっと書き方悪かったです。勘違いされてしまったようで。私も略奪のために戦争をやったと思ってません。ただ、強行的に戦争を始めた後の結果として様々な不都合が出てきているのを聞くたびに頭に来ています。 　

話し変わるけどカナダにいる人ってアメリカ嫌いな人多いよね？日本と韓国みたいな関係なのかな？自分もアメリカ凄いｷﾗｲですけど！ 　

まぁ、どこの軍隊だろうが兵隊のやることはねぇ…。それと、政治的なものを一緒にするのもどうかと思う。 　

res4>
　そうだね、確かに多いよね、アメリカ嫌っている人。笑　私のカナダ人の友達も「アメリカの自然はbeautifulだけど、人間(米人)はsuckだ」って言ってたし。たぶんアメリカが「カナダはアメリカの属国だ」みたいな態度とるからじゃないかな？
　あんな馬鹿が大統領になるからアメリカは馬鹿にされるんだよ。 　

Is Japan any better? Remember World War II, have you apologied to the victims? 　

結局大量破壊兵器見つかってないしね。 　

＞アメリカ兵による、空港の略奪被害がひどいそうです。盗むためにイラクに侵攻したようだよ。何が自由のためだ！！ うそつき！

しかし、どこの国の兵隊が占領してもそうなるよ！連合軍が占領してもそのような事件はおきるよ！

どう考えると「盗むためにイラクに侵攻したようだよ。」って考えに結びつくんだろうか??「石油を独占するためにイラクに侵攻」ならまだわかりますが・・・。ちなみに独占と盗みは意味違うからね！でもこの場合の独占とは搾取だから悪いことだけどね。

こう書くと私がアメリカを弁護してるように聞こえるでしょうがそれは違いますので。私は日本一アメリカを嫌ってる県出身ですし実際嫌いです。ただ見当違いのトピックに一言申したかった。






　

＞have you apologized to the victims?

別に日本が謝る必要ないじゃん。韓国なんて、日本がどれだけあの国に投資したと思ってんの？悔しかったら、自分の力で、鉄道でも作れば？中国人・韓国人の方が野蛮民族です。 　

Res.10さんに完全に同調するんじゃないけれどぉ・・
僕は、ふんわりと・・逃げ道の多い英語で・・爆

3rd person,
Just in case you are serious..

No, I don’t think Japan is any better...
But tell me,has she bombed anyone latelly? Say..last 60years or so?;)
How many other G10 nations hasn’t dropped a bomb abroad for 60 years?

>Remember World War II, have you apologied to the victims?

Yes, as a matter of fact,we DO discuss about WWII among ourselves,quite often....You can even find one here in jpc.. :)

>have you apologied to the victims?

Yes，Ｉsay， we have・・・in many many occasions and in & with many many different forms in the past．．

I do agree, the way her gov. officials act often upset others...But, did you also know．．．
Japan is the All-TIME biggest contributer of aids(not HIV!/ MONEY, stuff,etc,. U kno..) to developing nations around the world?, especially generously to S.E.Asia?
Did ya? ;)
(sry no spl.chka)
〜なんて・・でもどうせ日本人の人が書いたネタなんだろうなぁ・・

>結局大量破壊兵器見つかってないしね。

本当だー。・・その事、最近コロッと忘れてた・・爆 別トピ立てて？・・ 　

But they are getting stronger and stronger, and that’s why you hate them, it all comes from your fear and lack of understanding, just like any other racialism.
Japan is getting weaker, because she’s unreasonably too pride, too pride to appreciate good characteristics of others. Prejudice will do Japan absolutely no good. Think about it, if you really love her!!! 　

っていうか、もうアメリカのしたい放題でしょ。大量破壊兵器なんてなくても戦争できたし、イラクを事実上のっとった感じでしょ。 　

When it comes to war, misconducts happens, they can’t be justified, they shouldn’t be there, but they are inevitable. What’s important is that is there voices coming from inside telling it’s own people that they are doing wrong. Where do you know about these incidents in Iraq airport? TIMES magazines, right? That’s their own media, trying to tell their own people, that their own soldiers are probably doing wrong things in a war pretty much of their own. Isn’t that a right thing that we hoped but failed to have seen in other incidents in the history?? Like Japan’s denial of admitting slaughters in Nanking. I do not see any reasons the author should hate US on a good conduct that his own country failed to exercise.
Now you tell me, am I serious!! 　

Now, your idea is ...we have to wait until US people notice by themselves that they are doing wrong?? No way......they never know.....how long does USA continue the war all over the world.....how long should we wait....and how many people will be the victim until they notice themselves. Someone has to say and stop, or they will continue forever...even if somebody says that they are doing wrong.....and even if they themselves know that they are wrong....they will continue these terrible incidents for their own economical benefit. You never understand this point.

USA is the country that government control people and media. You might say that this time media show the truce....of course if you don’t show the truce from time to time people will not trust t any more...but actually they are controled..Once the government order to stop the broadcasting certain news they will not show...that’s why it is important to see more than one media.

And you misunderstand the difference of the character of the two countries. Japanese always try to reconsider what they did afterward, where American don’t.

Now I don’t understand why you write in English.
　

（できれば日本語でお願いしたいなぁ。）

＞have you apologized to the victims?

I have had enough of such like your criticize without knowing of history. You should know more about Japanese executions of liability of war reparation, and what she is contributing to the world as apology for matters in the past as homu2 san and mukaitou san mentioned before you blame Japan in your fantacy. For instance, although there are many facts that I want to describe here, ODA for China is one of the fact that Japan is shaping the apology even now. Japan had made reparetions South Korea along a treaty between South Korea and Japan. In the treaty, South Korea has declared that all Japanese war liability has cleared.
I think the problem is rather the facts have been being faked or have not been informed intentionally to the nations as if Japan did/do not apologize, by some WWII relevant countries in Asia. It may be interesting to know what is the real intentions of those countries more than knowing what Japan made in the past sixty years.
　

>But they are getting stronger and stronger, and that’s why you hate them..

Sorry I’m missing your point..
>They are getting,
They as Asian Tigers?
or
You are refering to US, correct?
If so,they have always been the strongest since the WWII. Considering the growth ratio, Japan is the one getting stronger. Remember? 60years ago she had nothing..US has always been strong and Japan prospered with her.
Do Japan as a whole really hates US? I don’t know about that..

If you are refering to the so called Asian Tigers..; Are they doing better than Japan? You really think Japan hates other asian nations because they are getting stronger??? Oh, please!
Who told you that one?

>Japan is getting weaker

You tell me which country is getting stronger latelly besides US? And even US
is losing moneny..

Can you kindly tell us where you are from? This way, I can refer your country as a comparison..

>Prejudice will do Japan absolutely no good.

I strongly agree with you and prejudice will do, all nations, absolutely no good, either.

3rd-san, can you try to answer at least one question of mine next time,please?
Thanx!
Love;)
H2.
　

to 4th person:
”Now I don’t understand why you write in English”
>> then why you??!!

　

to Homu2:
I was responding to who wrote Res.10, and by ’they’ I mean China and Korea. 　

to Homu2:
Can you kindly tell us where you are from? This way, I can refer your country as a comparison..

>> does it matter who I am from? will you think differently according to my origin?? Tell us which country you think is doing better than Japan, let us know that ”YES”, Japanese are appreciate some good qualities of other country, though you might not represent Japanese as a whole.
　

to CT:
so you think the reparation and all the money stuff makes up all the broken hearts and devasted souls of the victims?? you sounds like money is everything, and you know what? in the 1980s, many foreigners hates Japanese because of that! Try think in human ways, we are not calculators. 　

to Dear CT:

one thing that bothers me, if ODA is an apology to WWII victims, than why you also apology to latin American, Africa, and India??? What’s they got to do with Japan in WWII??? could it be that ODA is not actually an apology, as your undrstanding, or it is an almighty thing that, for some China, it’s an apology, for India, it’s humantarian consideration, and for Latin American, you name it.......

from un-educated 3rd person 　

TO: 3rd person san

>the money stuff makes up all the broken hearts and devasted souls of the victims??

Past all of Japanese prime ministers had declared apology will to relevant nations. As nation that declares profession peace, Japan has been educating nation as one hates war and one hates Japan (sounds weird but as a consequently of fault education, it’s true). So you think Japan should not had to make reparete then, what do you want Japan to do as execution of war liability for relevant nations? Please show us your ”human ways”.

You also should know the fact that some relevant nations demand stuffs (money) and apology from Japan everytime when they need such as political matter (include election or just want monney) no matter how Japanese had done with this in the past. No matter how the demand does not make sense, Japan has to acquiesces to the demand everytime because of the foreign pressure also internal pressure. The iteration have to be stopped already. And you should consider that the political propaganda might make people have such like your idea.

　

下げ 　

日本もアメリカも一緒だ！ 　

Evolution of a Foreign policy

Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction.

Q: But the inspectors didn’t find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That’s because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that’s why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn’t find any weapons of mass
destruction, did we?
A: That’s because the weapons are so well hidden. Don’t worry, we’ll
find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I’m confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use
in a war, then why didn’t they use any of those weapons when we went to
war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn’t want anyone to know they had those
weapons, so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend
themselves.

Q: That doesn’t make sense. Why would they choose to die if they had all
those big weapons with which they could have fought back?
A: It’s a different culture. It’s not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don’t know about you, but I don’t think they had any of those
weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn’t matter whether or not they had those
weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn’t have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein
was a cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another
country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his
country?
A: Well, for one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don’t go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic
competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops
to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate
gain, it’s a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People
who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn’t that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What’s the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba’ath party, while China
is Communist.

Q: Didn’t you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are
sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China’s a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other
hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn’t a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some
laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with
Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists
like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and
started doing business with them, wouldn’t that help the Cubans become
capitalists?
A: Don’t be a smart-Kid.

Q: I didn’t think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don’t have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam
Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he’s not really a
legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What’s a military coup?
A: That’s when a military general takes over the government of a country
by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United
States.

Q: Didn’t the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is
our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate.

Q: Didn’t you just say a military general who comes to power by Forcibly
overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate
leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he
helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men - fifteen of them Saudi
Arabians - hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into
buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive
rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren’t the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off
people’s heads and hands?
A: Yes, that’s exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off
people’s heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn’t the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars
back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job
fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing
opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban
would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people’s heads and hands for growing
flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people’s heads and hands off
for other reasons?
A: Yes. It’s OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off
people’s hands for growing flowers, but it’s cruel if they cut off
people’s hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don’t they also cut off people’s hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That’s different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy
that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were
in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not
comply.

Q: Don’t Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What’s the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet
fashionable garment that covers all of a woman’s body except for her
eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of
patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman’s body except for her
eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don’t go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are
our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were
from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very
bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion
of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan
talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or
thereabouts, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call
them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets - I mean, the Russians - are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after
they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our
invasion of Iraq, so we’re mad at them now. We’re also mad at the French
and the Germans because they didn’t help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French
fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn’t do what we
want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn’t Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our
friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn’t that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked
the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically Becomes
our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an
enemy?
A: Sometimes that’s true, too. However, if American corporations can
profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the
better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for
America. Also, since God is on America’s side, anyone who opposes war is
a godless unAmerican Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked
Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes! You finally understand how the world works. Now close your eyes,
make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Everything is possible, when you know how!